ANTI-ISLAMIC SENTIMENT IN AUSTRALIA IS SO HYPOCRITICAL

Are you one of those people who believe Islam should be banned in Australia or protest against Halal Certification on products? Then you should read this.

I recently read an article about a South Australian Dairy Company that pulled its Halal Certification because of a social media backlash from anti-Halal protesters. As a result, they lost a $50,000 supply contract with Emirates Airlines. Are they crazy? They paid a measly $1000-00 annual fee for Halal certification that would have seen their products on the menus of Emirates flights but they pulled it because of Facebook trolls.  This company made a stupid business decision allowing itself to be overrun by ill informed people and bigots with an agenda. It was a simple request by a major client. They weren’t asking for anything illegal or immoral.

Kirallee Smith is the woman at the forefront of the anti-Halal protests and thanks to her, Australian businesses are being pressured to stop the certification and in turn, lose a market share of consumers. Kirallee Smith has her reasons for being an anti-Halal certification activist. She doesn’t want to pay the fees. Other niche companies are gaining a larger market share with Halal Certification. So she launches a Facebook campaign and attracts every bigotted moron under the sun who believe Halal Certification somehow funds terrorist groups. The Australian Crime Commission has found no links to prove that at all.  Despite this, Smith and her followers still believe its an Islamic tax and certification funds terrorism.

What Emirates asked for was vastly less demanding than what Coles and Woolworths want from their suppliers. Maybe Smith should focus on the way the big supermarkets screw farmers than worry about an imaginary “bogey-man’s” tax.

The rise of the anti-Halal movement is directly linked to the rise of anti-Muslim sentiment in Australia that really started after 9/11 and has worsened since. Muslims have been living in Australia since the 1800’s. Halal Certification didn’t start yesterday.

Many companies also have Kosher certification which can cost companies between $550.00 to $2200.00 per annum. Kirallee and her friends don’t seem to be paying much attention to that.

And they shouldn’t either! Having one’s product certified to cater for wider markets is good business practice. First we accuse Muslims of not subscribing to “Aussie values and culture” but then we bitch and complain when a Four’n’Twenty pie carries a badge that allows a Muslim kid to enjoy one with other Aussie kids.

If simply being anti-Halal isn’t enough, we have movements like the Australian Defence League, shock jocks and commentators who’s names won’t be mentioned here,  politicians like George Christensen and the redneck pin up girl, Pauline Hansen suffering relevance deprivation syndrome bleating her way back into politics. All of whom are trying to convince the majority of Australians that Islam should actually be banned from Australia. If they knew anything about our constitution and freedom of religion, they’d realise how illegal their incorrect, banshee-like screeches really are.

Many Australians are following these movements not realising that they are being rather hypocritical at the same time.

So What Does Halal Mean Anyway?

Halal is an Arabic word meaning lawful or permitted. In reference to food, it is the dietary standard, as prescribed in the Qur’an (the Muslim scripture). The opposite of halal is haram, which means unlawful or prohibited. Halal and haram are universal terms that apply to all facets of life. 

All facets of life; Sports, education, arts, transport, banking, careers, money as well as food preparation. In fact just about everything we do in everyday life is considered Halal apart from a few thing

Let’s not include and confuse ourselves with organisations and societies that persecute each other or don’t allow women to go to school or drive cars etc. That’s just blatant radical barbarism using local laws imposed by the likes of the Taliban and ISIS and others and has nothing to do with Islam.

So if Halal applies to all things lawful under Islamic law and applies to all facets of life, if you’re going to boycott Australian companies for their Halal certification and if you believe Islam should be banned from Australia, are you prepared to do the following?

Boycott Cricket Australia and Channel Nine for hosting and broadcasting any cricket match involving Pakistan, Bangladesh or even England (there’s Muslims amongst the poms y’know). Cricket is lawful in countries like Pakistan. In fact, it’s huge!  It’s Halal. It’s lawful.

Boycott the AFL,  Channel Seven and the Collingwood and Richmond Football Club. The AFL use Etihad Stadium and Channel Seven is situated there. You know Etihad? The airline owned by Muslims. Collingwood Football Club are sponsored by Emirates. You know Emirates? The airline owned by Muslims. The Richmond Football Club has Bachar Houli; Australia’s first devout Muslim player. Aussie rules footy, stadiums, aeroplanes and air travel are all Halal.

While we’re at it let’s go for A-League Soccer. Melbourne City Football Club is sponsored by Etihad Airways as well. Let’s boycott them too.

And forget the Olympics and Soccer World Cup. Way too many Muslims sports people and sponsors.

If you live in Victoria, go to work on Melbourne Cup Day. Don’t take the day off. Boycott it. There are too many horses owned by Middle Eastern syndicates and there’s that Green, Black and Red Muslim Airline with their posh marquee wooing the social elite including the Prime Minister’s daughter who is a Spring Carnival Ambassador.

Boycott the Rugby World Cup, the Formula One Grand Prix because Emirates sponsor them too. Rugby and Car Racing is Halal. Lawful under Islamic Law.

Boycott Qantas. They have partnered up with Emirates who have taken over several of their traditional routes.

Boycott McDonalds. Many of their products are Halal Certified. No more kiddies birthday parties because you think Maccas pay an Islamic tax!!!

Boycott all Australian companies doing business in the Middle East.

If you’re anti-Halal, protest against Australian farmers who’s drought affected livelihoods depend on exporting cattle to Indonesia.

Boycott oil. Most of the oil we depend on doesn’t come from the North West shelf. It’s coming from the Persian Gulf. Our manufacturing sector, or what’s left of it depends on crude oil for plastics and other essential products. If we want to ban Islam in Australia or stop buying Vegemite, shouldn’t we stop being customers of the OPEC cartels?

Boycott your cheap holiday to Bali too while you’re there. Although the majority of Balinese people are Hindu, they are part of Indonesia; the world’s largest Muslim nation. So when you pay a sales tax in Bali, you’re giving a portion of it to a nation that’s 85 per cent Muslim.

And lastly, if you believe that Islam clashes with Australian values then boycott all ANZAC Day services pilgrimages to Gallipoli in Turkey. Turkey’s is a Muslim nation who have respected and honoured our war dead for 100 years despite being fierce enemies at the time. They have preserved Gallipoli as a sacred site and despite the anti-Islamic sentiment, Turkey continues to respect and keep a close friendship with Australia that rose from the horror of April 25, 1915. Have a read of Kamal Attaturks dedication to the ANZACs. 

Of course all of these suggestions are outrageous. They are as outrageous as Sharia Law taking over Australian Federal and State laws, changing Australia Day and abolishing Christmas.

Australians need to accept that Islam and the Muslim community who practise it have been part of the Australian multicultural mix for at least 200 years. Australia has lucrative business interests with state owned and private companies owned by Muslims locally and abroad.

Some Australians are committing a double standard by attacking the Muslim community and its faith on one hand and accepting the partnerships with business and iconic cultural events by interests run and operated by Muslims on the other.

You can’t have it both way’s people.

 

 

 

 

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About Tony B

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66 responses to “ANTI-ISLAMIC SENTIMENT IN AUSTRALIA IS SO HYPOCRITICAL”

  1. vmessiah says :

    Brilliant post Tony. I’ll be sure to use the examples you provided in future discussions.

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    • Tony B says :

      Many thanks…Cheers

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    • James says :

      Damn prisoners, as crazy as ever (In ref to ‘pomm’. We have similar issues here in England – EDL, BNP, UKIP, some of the Tories.
      People need to do their research on what Halal slaughtering is. Try asking a Muslim about it? From what I’ve heard, the reason the animal is not stunned to death is due to the fact that they need the animal to remove most of its blood from its body. Please google the various diseases carried in the blood.
      I’m a member of the IET – Institution of Engineering and Technology and my University is paying a ‘Tax’ to get my degree certified.
      Please Stop being fed all the BS from the media and some politicians. They have their own agenda to pass new laws and control your lives using fear.

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  2. deb says :

    Why the fees if everything already naturally halal?

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  3. Costa K says :

    Good article.

    The only correction I’d make is in relevance to your paragraph…

    “Let’s not include and confuse ourselves with organisations and societies that persecute each other or don’t allow women to go to school or drive cars etc. That’s just blatant radical barbarism by the likes of the Taliban and ISIS and others and has nothing to do with Islam.”

    That includes Saudi Arabia. Would you call the Saudis barbaric? Well, with public beheadings you could. Also, Mecca is in Saudi Arabia. Yet, you claim these societies have nothing to do with Islam. I think the Saudis would beg to differ.

    Again, very good article highlighting the rage against Halal certification.

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    • Tony B says :

      Thanks for your feedback. Of course Saudi Arabia is an Islamic nation. Many aspects of their laws aren’t based on Islamic law. Arresting women for driving is an example. People who are anti-Islam are very quick to point out the atrocities of the Taliban, ISIS and many aspects of the local laws of Saudi Arabia and other nations that are no doubt misogynistic and even barbaric. They are right to be outraged by them but should not tar Islam by that brush.

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      • Jennifer Lance says :

        I notice you didn’t mention that Christians and others opposed to Islam are being forced to eat meat that has been ritualistically killed and dedicated to Allah? Did you ever think that this is discriminatory against Christians who do not want to eat food that has been part of desecration? You also fail to mention that Halal certification funds the growth of Islam in Australia. Again, why should Christians be funding Islam? And your comments are stupid, “don’t buy oil”. Funding Islam overseas is different to funding it in Australia. Halal Certification funds Islam in Australia. I am opposed to funding anything that grows Islam here.

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      • Tony B says :

        Thank you for your comments Jennifer. I’m Christian (well brought up to be). I’m not opposed to it so please don’t speak for me. There is absolutely nothing discriminatory for goodness sake. You talk about desecration? As if non Halal methods of killing an animal is less cruel? Every been to an abbatoir? There’s nothing pretty about stunning a distressed animal and killing it regardless of whether its Halal or not.

        My comments about oil are aimed at people who want all of Islam banned in Australia and not just Halal. It’s all well and good for them to scream hysterically over Vegemite but are still willing to be a submissive client of Islamic countries who sell us oil. Its well reported that oil barons in the Middle East are responsible for funding ISIL and The Taliban. Not Kraft paying for a Halal badge!

        One more question Jennifer and be honest… Do you or your family ever eat at McDonalds? They’re Halal certified. If you have such a strong stance against all things Halal find a non-Halal butcher and go to Hungry Jacks.

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      • Robbo says :

        Tony B While I admire your passion of “its all good” I have to totally disagree with your stand. To say that Halal slaughter meat is not discriminatory against Christians it is down right wrong. While the slaughter process is somewhat similar we do not require it to face any city let alone Mecca which is ridiculous to say the least. Secondly if we turn back the clock & think through history as they do we have been at war with Islam for centuries. So I ask why do we Christians need to support a tax based on their Koran? Where in Australia are we being forced to pay a fee on what is written in the Bible?

        If it were possible I personally would avoid anything related to Islam because it is not only against my religious believes but also its against what this country was built on together with my way of life. So far to date as a family we have avoided purchasing anything Halal but as we know there are things that will slip through the system because company’s are not honest enough to advertise their support for this tax. Again I ask why?

        Imagine the Jehovah’s Witnesses all of a sudden pushing for blood transfusions to be banned in Australia, how would you react?

        Imagine we as a Christian society being told all symbolic crosses need to be banned & pulled down? Again this is a Jehovah’s Witnesses belief, so do we take them serious & consider them? As for Oil don’t even go there. , .

        Then there is the question of McDonald’s. Guess what? We don’t go there either & if we are in the mood there is always Hungry Jacks & we have found a Non Halal butcher. Its getting hard but at least for now we still have a few choices & that’s what Kirallee Smith is all about.

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  4. haram says :

    paying a fee to a company doesn’t make food halal, the quran makes it halal. In the SA diary company example, their yoghurt is still halal, yet emirates won’t buy it until the halal tax is paid.

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    • Tony B says :

      Emirates asked for the Halal certification. It is not a tax as no government collects it. There is nothing wrong with that given that Emirates flies passengers from all over the world and are partners with Qantas on many international routes. The Halal certification is no different to Kosher Certification or Vegan certification. If a passenger is served food and wishes to know if it complies with their dietary requirements the labelling shows it. It’s been like this for years.

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      • haram says :

        “Emirates asked for the Halal certification.” right, it’s not about whether the food is halal or not, it’s about whether the fee has been paid.

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      • Tony B says :

        Its about allowing someone sitting at 30000 feet getting fed to see whether they can eat it or not. You may know the food is halal but someone flying over Dubai to Australia being served yogurt may not. Emirates didnt get the 1000 dollars.

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      • Steve Buckman says :

        Might check your facts.
        For a start Fleurieu Milk is STILL supplying Emirates!

        ‘halal’ killed beef is actually an INFERIOR QUALITY meat that is more expensive due to the fees (one supplier is paying over $40,000 @annum plus a fee per carcass ………… High power non-penetrative stunning and unstunned slaughter followed by penetrative stunning
        resulted in inferior meat quality in cattle. That is from Australia’s own C.S.I.R.O. 21st Century science as oppossed to a 5th Century holdover from a pagan lunar deity sacrificial slaughter, which was allah’s previous incantation before mo’ promoted it (research the cresent moon and star symbol at the apex of every mosque)

        Apart from that by their own book it’s a scam and seems to actually be a sin.

        Quoran Chapter: 5 , Verse: 5 The good things have this day been made lawful to you. the food of those to whom the book was given is lawful to you, and your food is lawful to them

        Quoran Chapter: 6 , Verse: 145 I do not find in that which has been revealed to me anything forbidden for an eater to eat of except that it be what has died of itself, or blood poured forth, or flesh of swine– for that surely is unclean– or that which is a transgression, other than (the name of) allah having been invoked on it; but whoever is driven to necessity, not desiring nor exceeding the limit, then surely your lord is forgiving, merciful

        Quoran Chapter: 10 , Verse: 59 Tell me what allah has sent down for you of sustenance, then you make (a part) of it unlawful and (a part) lawful. say: has allah commanded you, or do you forge a lie against allah?

        Quoran Chapter: 16 , Verse: 116 For what your tongues describe, do not utter the lie, (saying) this is lawful and this is unlawful, in order to forge a lie against allah; surely those who forge the lie against allah shall not prosper

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      • Tony B says :

        Hi Steve thanks for your reply. I am not a theologian and therefore out of my league when interpreting books of faith so allow me to apologise for not replying to your verses there. As a regards to ancient traditions? Well I’m actually in agreeance with you there too. I mean, rules being made to billions around the world from a tiny state in Italy frowning upon people not being allowed to marry the partner of their choice or practice birth control because ancient men said so is also out of date too don’t you think?
        But companies have the choice to go with it or not, I don’t begrudge Smith for not wanting to. I just think that we have a lot more to worry about when it comes to manufacturing in the country than getting all worked up over a badge thats pitched at Muslims just as Kosher is to Jews and so on. In the meantime Airlines owned by Islamic nations sponsor our iconic events that we even have public holidays for..

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      • Steve Buckman says :

        “In the meantime Airlines owned by Islamic nations sponsor our iconic events that we even have public holidays for..” Sponsorship is advertising, not goodwill or any altruistic ideal. The cost of any sponsorship by any company is an extra charge added onto the price of whatever goods or services they supply and are paid for by the consumer. Melbourne had a halfday holiday for the horse race long before Emirates and Sydney had the Stadium years before Etidad etc. They and the rest will still be there when the sponsorship periods are over.

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      • Tony B says :

        Yes Steve but while they are so heavily involved in sponsoring our iconic events and having syndicates with horses running and winning the cup, anyone who wants to see Islam banned in Australia should put their money where their mouth is and make a stand.. Isn’t that a fair thing to ask?

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  5. Geoff says :

    Thanks Tony, a very informative article. It’s a shame that some people can’t read this sort of balanced information with an open mind. I guess that’s why we call them bigots.

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  6. concerned for the truth says :

    Why do some people claim that Halal certification costs $1000s or tens of thousands a year, if it is only $500-$1000? And who gets the money? I understand it goes to Muslim communities to build more infrastructure, which is fine except I’d rather any fees added to the cost of producingg food went to those producing it. I’m with Kiralee Smith on this one. We should be able to do business with Muslim nations, and visit them, without funding their food preferences. I once had a client who sold Apple computers, and demanded I change all my business computers to Apple. Needless to say, I gave him up as a client very soon after that.

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    • Tony B says :

      The issue I have with Smith is that while its her choice not to pay fees she shouldn’t have set up a campaign that has resulted in bullying of other companies. Its her choice and no one is arguing with that. Shoving her views down everyone’s throats is as bad as what she’s alleging.

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      • Robbo says :

        Tony where is she shoving her views down everyone’s throat? Its there for all to see & read & then we make a decision. I am not against this Halal food but then I refuse to buy & contribute to their ways. What she complains about is we have to have a choice. Why don’t the supermarkets set up their stores to separate the Halal & Non Halal foods? Because most people will not buy the Halal foods & people who don’t know will ask questions, its that simple. Why don’t the manufacturers clearly stamp their product Halal? Because people will know or questions it & not buy it. You have to question why such a small percentage of Muslim population in Australia has so much power? Did the Catholic church try to implement such a stupid certification on food here in Australia? Did the Asians try & implement a certification on their food in Australia? The Asians set up their own supermarkets & if you chose to travel & purchase their foods you did. The magic word is CHOICE. We are a majority Christian society & we are Australian, Why should we be burdened with a food that has been stamped by a “religion” that we are either against or don’t believe in? Not to mention other problems? Give people the correct information & let them do the research. You can call me a bigot, that’s fine by me.

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      • Tony B says :

        Robbo first off if I thought you were a bigot, I’d delete your posts. I appreciate your comments. The very fact that companies are facing boycotts because of campaigns such hers is proof that people are shoving their ideas down their throats. Maybe she isn’t doing it personally but her followers certainly are. As for the supermarkets? I think its impractical but you’d have to ask them. As for most people not wanting Hahal, I’d challenge that. Last time I looked, Vegemite is still popular and I haven’t seen a boycott campaign against Maccas. Many of their products are certified.
        As for the Catholic church? Well I’ll give you that much, given that the largest faith is Christianity here. There are supermarkets set up by Muslim businesses as well as Asian businesses. But if a business wanted to sell Vegemite, Kraft have put the stamp on it so they can. No one is forcing them too but they see it as a good business practice… But my point is this. Some people are so anti Muslim but at the same time don;t seem to care that Muslim owned corporations sponsor football teams, sports stadiums, Aussies do business with Islamic nations and depend on good relationships etc etc .. If people are so anti Muslim (and I’m not referring to you personally) then they should put their money where their mouths are

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      • Aussie Vet says :

        Or is she educating?

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      • Tony B says :

        Bullying is not educating Thats fascism

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  7. Esmond says :

    I think Kirallee Smith should crawl up her arse and take Pauline Hansen with her. Including all the ignorant bigots.

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    • Tony B says :

      Kirrallee is entitled to an opinion. Its her campaign that I find dumb more than annoying.

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      • John Swanson says :

        Lets all stop pretending Islam is some benevolent group here to to assimilate into Australia. A Muslim living in Australia does not see himself as Australian but as a Muslim who happens to live in Australia. If the nice Muslim family over the road believes in following Mohammed’s teachings and they attend a Mosque stop seeing them as a future friend or ally but as a potential enemy. Make no mistake they want the destruction of the West.

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      • Tony B says :

        Thanks for your reply John. They’ve been living here for 200 years mate. Why are you so scared of them? Put your money where your mouth is. If you fear them for what you think they want to do, boycott everything I suggested in my blog and then go and join the Army and fight ISIS. You hate Muslims so much and believe they’re going to kill us all, sign up mate. Do your country proud and prevent someone elses kid being killed and go and fight in the Middle East.

        Actually I changed my mind… Go and travel. Go to Indonesia, Turkey, Malaysia and other Muslim nations and see for yourself what its like. Don’t just visit the pyramids. Go and speak to locals and see how they live and look at how democratic they are. I have.

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  8. Barry Rea says :

    I agree with you in some respects Tony.
    There are many certifications that can be applied to food and there are fees with all of them.
    A muslim knows which foods are naturally available to them and which require certification. Yoghurt does not unless it contains gelatin as a thickener. Halal certification really only applies to meat and meat products as I understand it.

    The heart foundation tick is found on many highly sugar laden “fat Free” products in spite of the fact that excessive sugar consumption is more responsible for heart disease than fats.
    The mechanism that I speak of is that sugar is more quickly digested and converted to fat storage than consumed fat is. Many of these certifications are applied improperly and should be investigated.

    I got to your article from a link in an article that Kirralee Smith wrote in part with Larry Pickering. In that article she claims that much of the anti muslim / halal stuff written about her is not true particularly in an AGE article.

    She states that her argument is about choice and that some companies are halal certified but don’t put it on their labels, if this is true then she has a point.
    There may be some truth to claims of corruption and it should be investigated.

    I don’t know her but I do know enough about journalists to believe that a significant portion of anything written in mainstream media is biased by the author’s or the Outlet’s political and personal views.
    I would suggest that , if you are to write critically about someone , you should at least contact them for comment or try to get to know the truth about who they are and what they stand for.

    Personally I am against the certification of foods by any organisation due to it’s history of misleading consumers in ways like that which I described above.

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    • Tony B says :

      Hi Barry thanks for your reply. I have no problem with any business not wanting to certify their products Halal, Kosher, Vegan etc etc etc. None whatsoever. If she doesn’t want to pay the fees that’s fine. We have had Halal Certification in this country for years and its only since the rise of anti-Muslim sentiment have we seen this resentment towards Halal Certification.. What I resent is the bullying of other companies who’s choice its is to go ahead and certify their foods as part of their own business plan. Shoving their beliefs down their throats as as bad as what they’re alleging Muslims are doing. Maybe as a permaculture farmer she should focus more on what the supermarket cartels are doing to Mum and Dad farmers around the country.

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  9. Robbo says :

    Tony you state the following; that the rules being made to billions around the world from a tiny state in Italy frowning upon people not being allowed to marry the partner of their choice or practice birth control because ancient men said so is also out of date too don’t you think? Tony B I really do think you need to do some serious research about the Catholic church & its followers. It seems that you have a beef against this peaceful religion. I don’t know anyone in modern times that has not married who they have chosen. It is not written anywhere that they are not able to marry who they like. I am curious as to where you have this idea from? As for birth control well that part of the world has the lowest birth rate in the world so your belief there is very wrong. Somehow I don’t think they have stopped having sex.

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    • Tony B says :

      Robbo.. I’m talking about same sex marriage mate. I was raised a Catholic made all my sacraments so i think i have a fair idea of the churches teachings. Many of which i disagree with. They are also against abortion and contraception. You’re telling me I’m wrong?

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      • Robbo says :

        Tony I respect the fact that you disagree with some of the churches teachings as I do as well. However, just as you disagree with some of the Catholic church teachings I disagree with most all of the Muslims teachings. By the way the church is not against contraception, they would prefer that you use alternative means & we all know that most of us don’t do that anyway. As for abortion it is a extremely delicate situation for politicians, churches & us to discuss & agree or disagree. At the end its a situation for women to have the final say.

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      • Tony B says :

        Then why did Tony Abbott vote down the RU486 pill when he was health minister citing that it clashed with his faith? The church believes in abstinence not even condoms

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    • Robbo says :

      Tony your talking about a religion that is thousands of years old & you want them to change their rules over night? Get real there are thousands of gays in & around the Vatican & they know it. Its kept quiet & its only a matter of time before they change to please the minority. Gays in Australia kept quiet about their sexuality only until recently. To this end Gays need to be careful what they/you wish for as it will just open up a can of worms. I am not Homophobic either.

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      • Tony B says :

        Why do gay people need to be careful? What can of worms? The reason they kept quiet is because of persecution mate. If its all OK they wouldnt be keeping quiet. I’m sorry I’m having a real problem trying to understand your logic..

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      • Robbo says :

        Tony B Gay marriage is another topic that can be discussed for days on end.

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  10. David Somerfield says :

    From the comments you are having to deal with here I have to say I admire you. I can also see why Julia Gillard wanted to do the Gonksi changes to education because we sure are an ignorant nation of uneducated morons. Seriously folks, are you actually reading what you are typing. And here’s me a homosexual atheist defending Halal and Muslims every day…I don’t know why I bother and from this list of posts I certainly don’t know why you do Tony. It’s a lost cause, Australia is in the bloody toilet and just requires a good flushing of ignorant bogans.

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  11. Tony B says :

    Most Australians? Prove you speak for the majority.

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    • Keith F says :

      no Tony first you try and prove that you speak for the majority, you will find it just as impossible as Robbo would because unfortunately the majority wont speak up until the situation becomes much worse and in my own personal opinion they will come down on Robbo’s side because the later Muslim arrivals are not interested in assimilating into Australian way of life. Again this is only my opinion

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  12. Mick says :

    Hi Tony,

    Most of what you have said I think is correct and good on ya for saying so.

    I am not here to pick out which I have doubts but to consider what has been written and if I have those doubts research it to try to find the truth.

    Most western countries have been set up with the Catholic or at least Christian religion as a basis for its morales and like you I was brought up a mick and believe you are correct in your interpretation. That so many use contraception privately and say stuff you church is proof of that.

    Marriage is religious ceremony and should stay that way. The states should mandate another equal civil union that has no religious ramifications and no barrier between consenting adults.

    Keep up the good work

    cheers

    Mick

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    • Tony B says :

      If marriage is a religious ceremony why do we all sign state documents to make it legal? People have been getting married a hell of a lot longer than any religion has been around and atheists get married too..

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      • Mick says :

        Because government needed to regulate it. Remember most western states have been a 1 state religion. The treaty of Reims??(don’t quote me) meant that whatever your lord was that was what you were. Catholic or Lutheran or Protestant. They controlled the marriages and it is only when feudal states broke down and became nations that the fed gov came into regulating it.
        Also then meant people could be openly Atheist and still get married.

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      • Tony B says :

        We’re a secular society. Its in our Constitution

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  13. Nigel L says :

    Thanks for your wonderful and informative comments Tony. I know many muslims and not any radicals, I find more bigots in the general public. Keep up the good work.

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  14. Jimmyvee says :

    So if everything from Vegemite to footy stadiums and plastic bags, etc etc is halal, that’s a great choice isn’t it? One choice for all. Yay!

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  15. Marlene says :

    It appears you have the same problem in Australia that we have here in the USA: the misconception that ALL Muslims are Jihadist extremists. Then add the fact that our first non-white President has an Islamic-sounding name, some people here are freaking out that our President is about to invoke Sharia law and turn the White House into a mosque at any moment, even after 6 years as President and he has done nothing of the sort!

    Are ALL Australians like Crocodile Dundee? Of course not.

    I grew up in the state of Wisconsin. Perhaps you have heard of Jeffrey Dahmer, who killed dozens of young men in the 1980s-90s in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, had sex with the corpses, preserved the corpses, and ate their flesh. My mom traveled to Germany with her choir group from Wisconsin not long after that case became international news. When some people heard their choir group was from Wisconsin, they actually said, “Oooh, Wisconsin! They eat people there!” I can personally assure everyone that most Wisconsinites do NOT eat people!

    I used to work at a small family-owned meat processing company where we sometimes slaughtered animals for both Jewish and Islamic customers. There was very little difference between the way the animals were killed and processed from the usual way they were killed and slaughtered, except a religious leader was present during the slaughter to ensure it met their standards.

    Halal certification for a clean kill means they meet the Halal standards without having a Muslim religious leader present at each kill.

    Public outcry against being “forced” to eat “desecrated” Halal certified meat is based out of fear and/or hatred of those that are different and a willingness to believe misinformation that supports their fear and/or hatred.

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    • Tony B says :

      Thanks for your reply Marlene. My point exactly. All catholics are not tarred by the IRA brush and Christians aren’t all KKK. Playing.on people’s lack of knowledge is causing fear and hate.

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    • Robbo says :

      Marlene many people like yourself do not understand why we have this fear. The fact is that when a new race is welcome in your country we as the people should demand respect & the new people should try & assimilate the culture of that country. They create the divide. No doubt there will always be the acceptation. Like the USA Australia had many different types of people coming in the 50s & 60s & myself a second generation of one of those groups of immigrants. The fact is that with all of those mass 50s & 60s immigrants there was not one group that tried to install their beliefs or religion. However this current group does with a passion. They expect us to tolerate their customs & beliefs with no reciprocation. With the do gooders on their side & toothless politicians not willing to make any form of stand it makes the situation worse. It turns non racist people into racist people because many do not believe they are being protected. It comes to a head when such a minority group of immigrants power starts to affect our daily lives & that’s what has happened. We start to believe where will it stop? Mentioning the KKK or the IRA has completely no relevance to this situation. The KKK where not a world wide cause & where situated in one part of the world as was the IRA. This discussion is on Halal certified items & affects all Australians. All we want is a choice but the powers at play will not allow us this simple request. Lets face it if it was beneficial company’s would proudly display the fact of their certification but too many don’t & in fact lie to customers that they are not. To make matters worse we see Muslims on national television boasting about there activities & their rights. I was brought up to not hate anyone & if I did not like someone or a group I would stay away but I will do what ever I can in my power to protect the Australian way of life with all its faults.

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      • Tony B says :

        Robbo don;t be so condescending. Marlene is American and I think she’d know more than you and me about the fear of terrorism.

        As for new races being welcomed to this country? Tell that to the indigenous Australians who didn’t get a chance to tell a boat load of pommie rapists and murders to assimilate when they were sent out here with a troop of corrupt cops. I was one of those 50’s and 60s migrants mate and don’t tell me there were no problems. I was one of those “wogs” and I copped my fair share of racism back then.. Then your rhetoric about assimilation and not fitting in is EXACTLY the same as the screeching we heard when the Vietnamese arrived. Same thing. They wont fit in, they’ll bring crime and blah blah blan and now its Muslims…

        The fact that wogs, asians, muslims hacve settled here and their kids are scoring the highest in Year 12 scores is proof that the fear and ignorance is all rubbish. One day one of them might be operating on you!

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  16. cecily says :

    You would have to be the most gullible person ever if you believe any of that rubbish you wrote…since when does cat food need to be halal certified,do Muslim eat cat food,paper,ladies products etc.
    .what a scam this is and has nothing to do with identifying food that’s permissible..

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  17. David says :

    An Open Letter To The Australian Members Of Parliament

    Halal certification, or preferably religious certification, has numerous issues surrounding it, however this letter is intended to highlight concerns that specifically relate to labelling.

    We have built a nation that has thrived on both democratic and free market principles. However those free market principles are struggling of late with regards to Religious Certification. If I were to walk into each of your offices, place twenty typical products in front of you and ask that you identify which of those products were certified, you would not be able to. It would of course be a loaded question as all of the products would be certified, yet none would be labelled as such. In other instances a label may exist however would be difficult to identify without the aid of magnification, or in extreme cases would only be identifiable once the packaging was opened. This is not characteristic of a free and transparent market.

    The issue is of course a two sided coin. I recently spoke with a Muslim lady that complained she had to drive miles to find Halal meat. The irony there is that approximately 80% of red meat slaughtered in Australia is Halal Certified and slaughtered under Islamic rules. The meat that is destined for export is labelled, however the meat that is destined for the local market is repackaged through wholesalers, then distributed through supermarkets and butchers. Rarely is it labelled for the consumer, despite being previously certified. The irony is that this Muslim consumer in her search for Halal meat, most likely drove past many outlets that sell the very product she was after – yet due to the current relaxed labelling laws she would have no way of knowing.

    There is a great deal of false information on both sides. As an example I’ve had many debates with people convinced certification only applies to meat, which is a bit hard to accept when you’re staring at a can of halal certified fruit. Others argue that Water and Air are Halal which clearly indicates a complete lack of understanding as to what the issues actually are.Then of course people argue that we have a choice, just don’t buy it! But how is there choice without disclosure? The two are mutually dependant on each other, without disclosure choice does not exist.

    The fact is most of us that argue for better labelling, simply want our own rights respected in the same way the Muslim community does, rights which we are all entitled to but currently denied. Australia has a multitude of laws that apply to labelling ranging from country of origin to ingredients or ownership. It seems that every aspect of labelling for goods and services in Australia is covered by at least one guideline or piece of legislation, all except of course those goods and services with a religious affiliation. As an atheist I’m curious to know why religion isn’t included?

    Labelling of goods and services with a religious affiliation should be on a 3 tier basis;

    1) Companies should be able to declare that a product or service is suitable for a specific religion. While they are already able to do this, there is no encouragement or recognised logo to help achieve this. Many products naturally comply with many religious requirements, despite this many are obligated to pay for certification. This action needs to be discouraged.

    2) Companies would be required to disclose through a clear label whether a product contains ingredients that have been certified in accordance with a specific religion, to allow the consumer to further investigate that product should he/she choose.

    3) Companies would be required to disclose through a clear label if a specific product, service or business is certified and to which religion. This is clearly the most important of the three. It is the one you need to give the greatest consideration to.

    Most media are quick to jump on the racist bigotry angle and question the logic behind linking Halal Certification to terrorism. Most media would prefer to grab the headline rather than objectively report the subject. As politicians you’re required to look beyond the headline. Speak to people, understand why tens of thousands of people are so upset. Ask why a person that prefers a company that has no religious affiliation such as Halal is labelled racist or a bigot, but a person that avoids a product made in China isn’t. This request for clear labelling is not unreasonable, indeed Indonesia recently introduced laws similar to what is being asked of you here. A tin of Milo as an example is certified through the Islamic Council of Victoria, yet the tin carries no such logo to indicate that so most consumers would never know. The same Tin of Milo in Indonesia however, by not displaying the Halal logo, would be subject to significant penalties. Why does Indonesia lead us with regards to labelling laws?

    There is objection to change of labelling laws such as these in Australia, we have seen examples of this in the UK where changes to their labelling laws were recently voted down in parliament by a very small margin. However we have also seen that despite being voted down, the objections to certification have not been silenced at all, quite the opposite. While improved laws will no doubt have an impact on some businesses, those that will gain the most will be the consumers, Muslims, Jews, Christians and Atheists alike. What is certain is that the numbers that oppose the current structure of labelling, from all sides, will only continue to grow. It is unlikely this issue will subside until it has been properly fixed, the only question is which of you will stand up for us?

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